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their homes to applaud law enforcement. suspect number 1, tamerlan tsarnaev, killed earlier in the day after a wild shootout. we've got jam packed hour today. adam housley is outside beth israel hospital where suspect number 2 is under guard. catherine herridge is following the investigation. here in studio is america's mayor, mayor rudy guiliani. first let's go to adam in boston. bring us up to date on the very latest. >> yes. we're hearing from the f.b.i. there may be a statement coming out at some point in the next couple of minutes. we haven't heard from them since last night. we heard about the suspect brought here in certificates condition. i'll step away. you can see the police presence is here at the hospital in boston. it's been here all night. every exit and entrance is covered. the floor where the suspect number 2 dzhokhar tsarnaev is located has police presence as well, as you might imagine outside his room and on the hospital floor. anybody going in, coming out of this hospital has to have their bag checked, as well as their

i.d we also have the picture from the ambulance. you can see the condition he was brought in. we've been told there were a number of injuries. at least two gun gunshot wounds. one into the head and neck area, the another likely to the leg area. he was found inside a boat and we have some great heat seeking images that have come in from the helicopter above, the one that took the heat seeking picture that let authorities know that he was absolutely in the boat. you might remember the homeowner found the blood, saw what he thought was a body inside his boat. he got under the tarp, that winterized tarp they wrap the boats here with. that helicopter went above and took pictures. you can see him, the body lying there inside the boat which helped authorities indeed secure the fact that he was there. again, we're told he is serious, but stable condition. charges may be filed here at the hospital. we know investigators -- invest

not been told if questions have been asked. but the big news right now is that we are expecting some sort of statement from the f.b.i. momentarily. as soon as we receive that, we'll come straight to you with it. >> thank you. we will get back to you as soon as you hear that. now let's go to catherine herridge for the very latest on the investigation. she's our correspondent in washington. >> fox news is told investigators are exploring potential links between the older brother and extremeist group based on the older brother's travel to russia in the first half of 2012. fox news is told among the videos deleted from his youtube terrorist play list were a link to a terrorist group under the umbrella of the group. investigators are looking for potential ties, including e-mail traffic, posting of web videos, and whether there was any person to person direct contact as well. in 2011 they were designated a terrorist organization by the

u.s. state department and received a similar designation from the u.n.'s al-qaeda and taliban sanctions committee. we have a quote here from ambassador daniel benjamin and it reads, the attacks perpetrated by the group illustrate the global nature of the terrorist problem we face today and we stand in solidarity with the russian people in our condemnation of these deplorable terrorist acts. the revelation that the u.s. was asked by the russian government two years ago to investigate the older brother for potential extremist ties and nothing was found is causing unease at the bureau, according to a member of the house intelligence committee. >> there are a lot of palpitation's going on within the f.b.i. about what did they see when they looked at this? what if anything, did they miss? that will be heavily scrutinize ed. >> we were also told today that this is just one of many groups that they're looking at at this time and it's also one that hasn't gotten a lot of attention in the past.

>> thank you very much. great reporting. we're very honored today it have new york's former mayor, rudy guiliani, with us. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> we all have a lot of questions for you. let's bring it around the table. >> welcome, mr. mayor. >> thank you. >> i want to ask you, a lot of people are wondering what's going to happen to this guy and how should he be tried? a lot of people may not know that you're a former u.s. attorney. you tried a number of high profile cases. how would you try this -- i did mr. mayor, ask a form prosecutor how they would try it. simpson, who worked for george w. bush said he would seek the death penalty. capital murder, national support for terror resulting in death. how would you approach it? >> that's obviously the way you would do it if did you it as a federal civil prosecution. there is the option of doing it as enemy combatant, military court. i know john mccain, lindsey graham, couple of others are pushing for that. you need a little more evidence to know whether you can do that. you really have to know, did he

become part of the terrorist war against the united states? these e-mails and texts that they're discovering kind of make a pretty good case that he was part of a group that's at war against the united states. if you can make that case, then you could try him in a military court. you could try him in guantanamo bay and not have the spectacle of this trial having to take place in boston or some other place where they would change venue. >> are you sure about military court? as i understand, it was for noncitizens and for foreign nationals. >> if a citizen becomes part of the war effort against the united states -- let's take an example like this. let's take the second world war. let's say an american citizen went to germany and joined the nazi army and invaded the united states, we could try that person in a military court. now, the nature of this war is so ambiguous, you're going to get a lot of arguments as to whether or not that's a clear analogy. so it's an option, but it's a

difficult option. >> let me ask you a question. these guys came up with these two bombs that they dropped on the marathon route. they also had them in their car when they were being chased by the police and threw them out. that's an awful lot of weapons. the question remains, i guess, do they have help from people here? did they test these things out somewhere? your instinct tell you there are other people involved and are still in the united states and not apprehended? >> my instincts tell me that people helped them with certain aspects of this. very hard to believe they could have pulled it off without help. the point you make, it must have been tested. in fact, there is some evidence of people in the area that heard sounds weeks before. this could be who knows what or it could be they were testing it out. very unlikely that the first time they detonated those two devices was right there. very unlikely they hadn't tested it before. very unlikely that they'd have been able to pull that off without a little help. could do it, but i would say the

f.b.i. is much better off going on the hypothesis that there are other people involved. let's go find those people. the fact that he we want to russia, sounds like he got some help from there. who is it there? what chechen group is it? are they connected to al-qaeda? aren't they connected to al-qaeda? those are all questions that have to be answered. the way you try a citizen in a military court is you basically say that he has given up his citizenship by joining the enemy army. he's no longer a citizen of the united states. >> that's the argument they made in the drone attack. the legalization if you're an american and overseas and participating -- >> the obama administration has used this legal argument to justify their drone attacks. it's not unfamiliar to them. >> about a year ago or so, the nypd came under fire for some listening in this -- using surveillance techniques on certain groups. >> in new jersey.

>> in new jersey. >> right. >> there was a thing going back and forth between new york, new jersey, whether they were allowed to do this or not. with all this going on, aren't we making the case for more of that rather than less of that? >> yeah, we have to do more of it. it's very uncomfortable. it's very -- none of us want to give up any of our privacy, understandable. the reality is this is how you stop them. this is the only way you have to stop them. that is getting the information in advance. they're doing everything they can to hide what they're doing. law enforcement, intelligence agencies, they have to be able to do everything they can to intrude into them to find out what they're doing. >> mayor, as far as i can tell, we knew about nidal malik hasan. we knew about the guy who shot up the recruitment station. now the third example where somebody has been investigated and the ball dropped. maybe the kid had a unusual relationship with his brother.

it's absolutely insidious. i want to make a point here that -- >> going to one of the best schools in boston. >> he had every afforded luxury as somebody coming to the united states. my point is, is it right to be giving this much attention to these scum bags because it actually energizes other losers who see how easy it is to paralyze a city? we s there and keep showing these pictures. shouldn't we treat them like the dirt bags they are ask stop showing them? >> we should put equal emphasis to find out about them in advance. i'm not playing monday morning quarterback. any one of these attacks, i remember september 11, three, four days after september 11, you could pull out as dana will remember, you could pull out memos where if i had thought about t i could have predicted september 11. that's hindsight. you're probably going to be able to pull out memos that should predict us. that should lead us not to

criticize those who didn't do it, but being more aggressive in the future. >> the preoccupation with these psycho logical root causes as opposed to the actual root causes. >> we don't pay attention to what psychology is telling us, i think major hasan was a worst case. >> right. >> he was how do you blow that? he was basically telling you, i want to attack and we were promoting him in the military. >> exactly. >> we knew that before and blew it after by not calling that a terrorist act. >> yeah. >> incomprehensible. the man was planning to attack in order to further jihaddist causes. he was communicating to get help. to make it easy, when he's shooting the people, he's yelling out allah akbar. i got to figure out motivation? he just gave me his motivation. >> can i just say this, they want me to get this in. you want to pull the full screen of of senator mccain and lindsey graham's comment. is that what you want to do?

anyway, so these gentlemen have said that he doesn't -- he shouldn't be mirandaized right away. i know you agree with them. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much

criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> let me ask you a question, mayor. they closed down the city of boston, all of it, they closed down businesses, universities. granted, this was a horrendous attack, but even after 9-11, you didn't close this city down. i'm wondering whether they went overboard and then when they said okay, you can go out and stretch your legs, and then they find the guy is in the backyard of somebody in watertown. why shut down an entire city? >> bob, i think they could have made that call either way. i'm not sure if i was in their situation i wouldn't have made the same call. here you have a shootout in the middle of the night. you have got a guy on the loose. you have no idea where you'll find him. you could find him in the middle of boston commons or anywhere. you know when you find him there is president-elect obama going to be a massive shootout and you don't want to see ten kids get killed on the street in the middle of that shootout. was in an excess of caution?

yes. can understand why they did it? yes. i also think there was another law enforcement purpose to it. by shutting boston down, they shut off from them a lot of ways to escape. couldn't use the subways. couldn't use the buses. couldn't use the amtrak. couldn't use this or that. there was ohm one thing he could use, a car. so now you've kind of circled him pretty well. i think that's another reason. >> better to be safe than sorry. >> we are running out of time. he has a -- dana has a question. >> we're going to keep you for one more block. >> okay. >> one of the things you were talking about in the green room is that because law enforcement performed so ably in these situations that americans, as citizens, you don't have to have this as your top worry, that you can let law enforcement worry about it. >> this is a very difficult message and i think both president bush and president obama have actually struck a good tone on this. but i'm not sure people listened to them. the fact is, the government should be very worried about terrorists. the government should be

compulsive about terrorism and the rest of us shouldn't worry about it too much. that doesn't mean if we see something we shouldn't turn it in. but we shouldn't go stop our lives. we are all going to die. and we're probably going to die of something else other than terrorism. >> we got to jump in. we're coming up against a hard break. when we come back, how is the white house handling the first terror bombing on american soil since 9-11? we'll talk to mayor giuliani about that. coming right back

>> tonight our nation is in debt to the people of boston and the people of massachusetts. boston police and state police and local police across the commonwealth of massachusetts responded with professionalism and bravery over five long days. and tonight, because of their determined efforts, we've closed an important chapter in this tragedy. >> that was president obama last night at the white house after the manhunt came to an end. ed henry has been monitoring

events from 1600 pennsylvania avenue and joins us now with an update. >> good to see you. as mayor giuliani knows after a terrorist attack, you've got a balance moving ahead with the business of government and also trying to soothe the nation, not just the people in boston, but all around the country or wondering what will come of this terror investigation. the president doing a little bit of both today. he met behind closed doors in the situation room for about 90 minutes today with much of his national security team, including attorney general eric holder, the country director, john brennan, tom donnellan, both to get a handle on this specific terror investigation, but white house officials say he was trying to get a sense of the threat from all around the world, moving beyond just this one investigation. and the president in his weekly radio internet address this morning also talked about the resiliency not just of boston, but of the entire country. >> if anyone wants to know who we are, what america is, how we

respond to evil and terror, that's it. selflessly, compassionately, and unafraid. >> now, republicans like john mccain and lindsey graham today are hailing the decision to use the public safety exemption that you've been talking about to make sure that the suspect number 2 does not get his miranda rights right away but are going further by saying they want to see him officially designated as an enemy combatant. senator ayotte and king saying however, we have concerns that limiting this investigation to 48 hours and exclusively relying on the public safety exemption could be a national security mistake. it could severely limit our ability to gather information about future attacks from this suspect. officials here at the white house say they haven't made a final decision about exactly how they're going to move forward on this investigation. but all signals so far have been that they will not use that designation of an enemy combatant. guys. >> all right. thanks so much. we have mayor giuliani staying with us for a little bit.

if you could compare the 9-11 cooperation of the federal, state and local government to this, do you think we made any progress? >> i think it was about the same. in both cases it was done very, very well. plenty of examples where governments don't work together, but these are two examples of where the federal government worked lock step with the state and local government. in this case, it seemed it was seamless. in our case, president bush sent us joe alba from fema. he arrived at 1:00 o'clock, 2:00 o'clock. he sat down with governor pataki and i. governor pataki and i put our two governments together. we basically put our cabinets together for four straight months. we made all decisions together. he was our teammate. and he announced about 5:00 o'clock in the afternoon we're here to support you. you guys understand new york. you're running it. we'll follow your lead. >> you didn't have 9-11. you didn't have a suspect in custody that was injured in the hospital and this decision of whether or not to read miranda

rights or how you were going to proceed. how much influence do the senators or members of congress have on the department of justice or the white house in a decision like this? >> the initial decision, none. got made without consulting with them. now it's a matter of pressure. not very much pressure. the attorney general is going to make the decision he wants to make. there is another way the attorney general could question him endlessly without worrying about this 48 hour exception. and that is just not worry about whether or not he's going to use his statements. the only reason miranda exists is in order to use statements as evidence in court. he could just question him for the next two weeks if he wants to and just forego using it in court. >> speaking of the court, how will you pull off a trial with a jury pool that doesn't know this case? they'd have to move the trial to the moon and everybody has seen the photo of that guy dropping the bomb behind that kid. i want to ask you about this. every single person that's interviewed when it comes to a terrorist attack says they were

normal, says that oh, they were just nice guys. is this just part of the training or should we be moving next to abnormal weird people? [ laughter ] like me. >> welcome to "the five." >> i'm glad i have weirdoes next door. does that make me the normal person? do you get my point? is this part of the training is to be as unassuming -- >> i imagine it is, sure. if they were completely obvious, then they probable lea would be caught. part of it is to learn how to be deceptive. to learn how to fit in. like spies used to in the old days. >> if you were in boston, you would have been on the list. >> if you look at their facebook and youtube channels, there was a lot of expression accord radical islam, which is exactly what it is, even though a lot of people don't want to say radical islam is jihaddist. so i'm wondering, should we be looking at different ways to identify terrorism? it seems we've gotten very good in this country. but this was a soft attack on people, on human beings.

the chechen islamic radicalism is known for, schools, theaters. how should we be handling this now? it's different than past attacks? >> i remember when the london bombing took place, i was in london. i was half a block away from the first bomb in liverpool station. that was a big, big shock to the u.k. because they were -- u.k. citizens. they had a very clear profile of who they were worried about. they were worried about people who had just come into the u.k., all of a sudden they get this big surprise. they expanded their list of suspects. we're going to have to do the same thing. a lot of questions will come out of when the f.b.i. interviewed him, what did they find out? why didn't they put him on a watch list, if they didn't? why didn't they follow up and kind of take a look at what he was doing on the internet, which would have given them some indications? why they didn't, there may be a perfectly good explanation for it. >> who are these friends on

facebook? >> i went to his twitter account, i went back all 1100 tweet, he looked like any normal 18 or 19-year-old. there is nothing that stands out with this kid. mayor, i'm going to read president obama's words. we're going to close an important captainer in this tragedy. is it a tragedy or a terrorist attack? >> a terrorist attack. the president has a kind of crew femmistic way of dealing with these. he did say it at one point. this is not a tragedy. a tragedy is something awful that happens that we have no control overment katrina is a tragedy. sandy is a tragedy. natural disaster. a deliberate attack for a purpose, even if we don't know the complete reason for the purpose, this is an attack. this is like pearl harbor wasn't a tragedy. >> if you call it a tragedy -- >> september 11 wasn't a tragedy. it was an attack on the united states of america. this was an attack on boston and the united states of america.

>> if you call it a tragedy, it allows other people to generate sympathy for the suspects. >> sure. >> the president did that. but i'm saying that happens in the media. >> all right. we'll have to go, unfortunately. we enjoyed having you here. >> i enjoyed it very much. >> directly ahead, you'll hear from one of the family members of the accused killers. stay with us.

>> today the uncle of the two brothers suspected in monday's marathon bombing reacted to the capture of his younger nephew. here is ruslan tsarnaev. >> i'm happy that dzhokhar is alive. dzhokhar was pressured by his older brother. >> who were these young men? joining us now is wesley loury, a reporter with the boston globe. thank you for joining us.

>> of course. thanks for having me. >> how were they radicalized? how do we know that they went from being what people are saying normal teen-agers to radical islamic jihaddists? >> i think it's really important to look at the two different -- you get two different brothers. the older and younger brother. that's one of the things we're still trying to dig into as we talk to family members and friends is how did they go about becoming a little more fundamentallized. every account we have so far is that the older brother seems to have been the one who molded his younger brother and kind of brought him under his wing into this more kind of aggressive, angry beliefs. but again, we're still trying to figure it out. they were both relatively well adjusted. the younger brother more so than the older brother. both seemingly had good lives here in america. we're still trying to figure out exactly what it is, what triggered, especially in the older brother, what triggered this. >> it sounds like that will probably be the defense in court, that the older brother corrupted him.

greg gutfeld field has a question. >> i don't have a question 'cause i don't care about their motivations. i could give an f. as far as i'm concerned, their motivation is radical islamic belief. i don't have any more questions. >> jihad. >> sorry. >> wesley, dana perino has a question. >> i'll go ahead and ask a question. i do agree with my colleague on the left, which is actually on the right, greg. so one of the excuses is that they couldn't fit in. how is that going down in boston, they didn't fit in thing? >> i mean, in terms of the younger brother, no one is saying they couldn't fit in. everyone is saying he had tons of friends, he was very well liked, the captain of his high school wrestling team of the we talked to his friends and family member, people loved him. his older brother, he was quoted in 2004 profile saying that he didn't have any friends who were american. he didn't have a lot of friends here. that said, he also had success

here in america. he was a very successful amateur boxer. so people are saying it's an excuse, it might be, but our reporterring isn't finding that, especially about the younger brother. he had a lot of friends, seemed to be well adjusted. the people we talked to who knew them, especially the younger brother, are very surprised. >> we only have 45 seconds left. >> the f.b.i. investigated the older brother. they talked to him several years ago. why do you think he was not on a list of potential terrorists who might cause a problem that day in boston? >> i can't answer that directly. obviously we're reaching out to the f.b.i. and other law enforcement sourcing. i don't know that we can definitively say right now that he wasn't on a list or was not being monitored. this is still a very fluid situation that's developing. we're doing the best job we can reporting. i know other outlets are. i think it's really important to in some ways let this play out, and especially now that the younger brother is in custody. there is not an active threat

anymore. we don't have all the answers yet. here at the globe and other news outlets, we're going to try to get the answers. >> all right. thank you so much for joining us. >> of course. thanks for having me. >> thank you. up next on "the five," the latest on the victims, four are dead, over 170 injured and one police officer is fighting for his life. an update on them when we come back @@

so we want to update you now on the only people that matter, the survivors of the boston terrorist attack, as well as the latest on the funeral plans for the four victims. eight-year-old martin richard, 29-year-old crystal campbell, 23-year-old woman and 26-year-old mit police officer sean collier. adam housley joins us from boston. has there been any updates on the survivors, how they're doing and perhaps is there any reaction to the capture of these

finds by those who suffered? >> we haven't heard much. the hospital keeps a lot of that information to themselves. they allow the families to individually put out their own statements. we do know there are a number of survivors here that are doing better. and recovering as the days go on. taking into account, this is the same hospital where the suspect's brother was pronounced dead. and where doctors did everything they could to stabilize this suspect. and as they were working to stabilize him, people that he allegedly bombed and maimed on monday were also being treated. so quite an interesting scene here that continues. the security is significant. we've just been told also that the f.b.i. will put out a statement as part of that statement, it's not going to be incredibly detailed, but as part of the statement, they'll say suspect number 2 is in serious but stable condition, which is a sign that they're hoping for in a sense, they were trying to get information from him as soon

as possible, greg. >> how is the people that are suffering from the injuries doing? do we have any word on the injured? >> we do. again, there are a lot of them. depending on who you talk to, we do know that the little boy who was killed, his mother still has significant recovery process to go through. she had a very serious head injury. as you go down the list, again, they're individual, case by case basis. the hospitals won't tell us, for patient privacy reasons, exactly what people are dealing with. they'll say people are recovering, they're doing better. there have been no lives lost since monday. that's a good thing. and a lot of people are doing very well. we know the medical community here is a very strong medical community with very significant facilities all throughout this city. some of the best in the world. so it is encouraging to hear some of these people are doing better and coming to grips really with losing limbs and that is something to take into

account. i thought last night was poignant to understand that the doctor that saved so many people here on monday were doing the exact same thing to save this suspect accused of killing so many people and maiming so many here over the course of the last five days, guys. >> adam, bob beckel. do you know whether this investigative team -- or excuse me, the team from the f.b.i. that are up there to forget this guy has done that yet? >> we don't know. i'll tell think, bob, being around these stories for a long time, we saw two investigators come out this morning at 4:30 in the morning. we were here all night. they walked around the door behind me. they went over to their car and left. we tried talking to them and asked them questions about it. they, of course, wouldn't give us any information because that's protocol. we are in touch with our sources in the federal -- several federal agencies trying to get more information out. from what we can tell, there were some initial questions asked. is that an interrogation? it's really up to the terminology. has it really expanded since his

operations were done this morning? that's what we don't know yet, bob. but we know there were initial questions asked. got to believe when he was first taken into custody last night and on his way here to the hospital as well, bob. >> thanks, adam. >> all right. >> so i guess there is going to be some upcoming funerals. i don't know what the dates are. but it's going to be a somber next couple of weeks. >> i thought it was unbelievable that the one guy who had both of his legs lone off in the hospital was the one who, even though he was in a state of shock, said, i can identify these guys. what people can do when they're so injured is unbelievable. >> yes. jeffrey bowman. incredible. all right. after almost a week of hell, boston breathes a sigh of relief and crew ninth together. here is a crowd at fenway singing "sweet caroline" at the red sox game today. >> are you ready? ♪ sweet caroline ♪ good times never seemed to

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♪ ♪ ♪ . >> emotional moment shared by fans at the bruins-penguins hockey game, that is right part of a pregame video showed, powerful images from this week. eric, let me ask awe specific question. [ laughter ] why is it when we go to things like this, sporting events indicate whether things are good or bad? >> sports are patriotic people. the red sox, the bruins, in

fact, there were a bunch -- when it was announced they caught suspect number 2, there was a sporting thing going on in st. louis, or l.a., people erupted into cheers. applause, chants of usa. it's so patriotic. it brings people together. >> what are the chances you're going to see yankee fans sing "weight caroline." >> never again. >> sports unites citizens in america and increasingly so as other types of community events have dropped off. if you remember after 9-11, when president bush threw out pitch at the world series, that was a moment where a lot of people that lived through that time can go, that was when i sort of breathed a sigh of, okay, we are not sitting back. we are going forward. we're going to be able to be okay. >> let me ask greg, who is in a sort of thoughtful mood right at this moment. greg, i know you like talking sports. but i don't want to talk about sports. you made a good point about

this. is this now time to stop talking about these dudes and start talking about the victims? >> yes. as far as i'm concerned, i never want to see their ugly little faces again. the other thing is i get the celebration, but you really -- what are you celebrating for right now? this is a scary time. this can happen again. we were lucky that only -- i mean, it could have been way worse. and it could have happened over and over again. i mean, celebrate, it's good that we caught these creeps, but man, it's going to happen -- >> that's a good point. >> yeah. it's a good message, i agree with greg, to celebrate, but also celebration without recognizing that we're still at war is not going to do anything. >> exactly. >> what is the message you want to send? of course you're sending them a message, we're strong, resilient. but the stronger message is, we understand we're in a war with radical islam and we're not going to be defeated. that needs to be the message. i will say this, one of the brothers, he did want to box for the usa. i would like to see him get in the ring with some of those bostonnians the other night.

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♪ travel is part of the american way of life. when we're on vacation, we keep an eye out for anything that looks out of place. [ indistinct conversations ] miss, your bag. when we travel from city to city, we pay attention to our surroundings. [ cheering ] everyone plays a role in keeping our community safe. whether you're traveling for business or pleasure, be aware of your surroundings. if you see something suspicious, say something to local authorities. >> it's time for a special one more thing. greg, you're kirking it off. >> odd timing, robert redford's movie, "the company you keep" is opening which portrays whether underground terrorists, sympathetically, it makes you

wond builder 30, 40 years from now, liberal director will make a movie portraying these brothers as misguided and sympathetic. in that mind, i say in honor of the victims, don't go to this movie. >> you know someone is writing that script. >> do not go. >> you're up. >> i was thinking about i mentioned this once before. it occurs to me how difficult it must have been for parents to describe to young children all across the country why this happened. and how these things happen. i remember doing that with my little kids during 9-11 who are now young adults and i think about young adults today who went through 9-11 as sort of the beginning of their life here in the united states and kids don't feel safe anymore in their own country. so i applaud the parents who tried. i didn't do a very good job of it and i wish the kids who are the children of 9-11 that they get on with their lives. it is a safe place. >> good thoughts. dana? >> another story that caught everybody's attention this week and didn't get enough news

coverage, but i want to bring it up, in west, texas, near waco, there was a fertilizer plant explosion. 14 people were killed, 200 injured. many stories of heroism, residents are allowed to go back to their homes, some are. we want to let them know they're in our thoughts and prayers as well. i also wanted to show think picture. during some pet rescue efforts today, people found this photograph here. can you see? there is a dove right there in the middle of it. maybe a little bit of a hopeful sign there in west, texas. >> sure. i'm sure we'll get to some of that. andrea? >> i just want to say i think this whole thing should be a wake-up call for the nation. as we're poised to quickly pass an immigration bill, a gun control debate, we should find out and look into our immigration system, who is coming in, coming out and seal the border. i bet a lot of people who had guns when there was a criminal on the loose. but the mindset of many people is to not offend radical islam insist jihaddists or even

acknowledge the threat they pose. so i just hope this is a wake-up call for everybody. you won't refer to them as eastern europeans. it doesn't matter if they're eastern european, pakinstani, they're radical islamic jihaddist and before one american dies again, it's time for the political correctness to die. we are at war and they will never stop. we've been at war for hundreds of years with this same enemy. >> if i had said that, everybody would have interrupted me. go ahead. >> bob, you usually do right at the end of the show. i think this is important. for me to get this. i wrote this on monday after the marathon bombing. boss continue is one tough town. america is one tough country. we're americans and these cowardly acts will not define us. terrorists will not make us run scared. so let's interrogate terrorists and the other and get back to being americans. let's run our marathons, watch our ball games, and enjoy our freedoms. after all, this is america. we don't retreat.

we reload. and by the way, a huge, huge hats off to all the first responders who risked their lives in the line of duty. we have a couple -- >> that was very good. >> last thoughts? >> i thought that was very well written. >> and time to call it terror, huh? >> it is. if you see something, say something, even on social media. someone says they want to bomb that, should trigger a red flag. >> we'll leave it there. that's it for us. we'd like to leave you with this very powerful moment at red sox game this afternoon at fenway. good night, everybody. ♪ ♪ what so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming ♪

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[ cheers and applause ] good evening, i am mike huckabee with a fox news alert. armed guards are protecting 19 year old dzhokhar tsarnaev in a boston hospital. u.s. intelligence a special interrogation team for high value would suspects is standing by to question him. his older brother and accomplice killed in watertown, massachusetts. we have a correspondant adamly in boston. any updates? >> yeah, good evening, we are getting some updates. the u.s. attorney office has not file would charges.

the suspect is in serious but stable condition. we know they expect him to make it. it is one of the hospitals where a number of victims were brought after the blast. his brother was brought here and pronounced dead here . there is a significant number of law enforcement outside and inside. you can't go in the hospital without proper. bag purses are senched. the suspect brought hire with multiple of injuries. heap's bloodied up in the ambulance. it is grainy but he had multiple injuris and one of those gunshot injuries came from the initial shoot out from the police after the car jacking . that's all why have. we have a lot of information about where his injuries are. head or neck region and another in the leg. but nothing confirmed by the hospital or f.b.i.. all of that information will come through the f.b.i.. they told us he was in serious

but stable condition and they would have a statement they thought tonight. as of this hour, that statement hasn't been released. >> adam, you said there were a lot of police in the hospital. was there any protestors on and others showing up? >> there are no protestors and there are a number of the public walking around here and red sox fans walked through here . this is it a large medical campus. cusee a lot of medical students and doctors and nurses and looking at where the media camp would out. we were one of the first ones here and it is grown rather large knowing that the suspect is inside and we saw two f.b.i. agents leave at 4:30 and their car parked near ours . so that is kind of the scene here. no protest whatoso ever.

they would be moved off and last night interesting on the way here, a few blocks down the street where boston colleges and a number of colleges and smaller ones that people may not be familiar with. they blocked off the street with 400 students cheering cars that went through and every time a emergency vehicle of any type came through they let out a large roar. interesting to see the reaction with the suspect brought through and the doctors working to save his life. >> i appreciate your report. turning now to the federal investigation that is looking closely on the older suspect's trip back tia last year. catherine, what are we learning about want older brother's possible tie to islamic groupings. >> fox told that investigators are looking in potential ties to caucus imerate.

it is an islamic group it is based on two factorings. one the older brother's travel to russia when he went to chechnya and dagis stan and probably more important what hed on the youtube site between august of 2012 and when the attack happened. this included many videos and linkings to this extremist group in russia. this a terrorist group by the u.s. state department and the al qaeda and taliban sanctions committee two years ago. it is a well known islamic group, governor. >> what are we learning about the f.b.i.'s initial contact with the older better. >> the f.b.i. in 2011 had a request from the russian government and the f.b.i. revealed some of the details of that request. it reads in part, that the russian government had

information that the older brother a follower radical islam and strong believer and changed drastically from 20 thereto 10 and believed he was joining an unpres -- unspecified group. the f.b.i. did a review of tamerlan's background and talked to him and family members and didn't come up with terrorist act timpt. but let me explain why this saimportant now. the same year the russian government said what do you been this guy and extremist ties? we think he is a radical islamist. that is the same time this group in chechnya is declared a terrorist enity and the older brother creates a youtube site where he is posting jihadi literature and videos. that seems to be a theme is the trip to rush quaand sort

of radicalization process intensifying at that point, governor. >> catherine, do we have enough intelligence to follow the smaller groups we haven't about? >> two mains. there is it a lot of intelligence gathering by the community and the american public has to ask themselves whether they want the government more in our business to prevent every attack. there is it a certain amount of risk and i am not minimizing what happened in boston but there is it a certain amount of risk if we are going to maintain what the american culture and democracy really stands for . second of all, i wrote about it in my book the next wave. these groups like to tarket u.s. citizens since 2006. they understand they may not get their own people in the united states, but they will be able to get u.s. citizens or in the case of the older

brother a legal and permanent resident. i am not suggesting a direct tie to al qaeda, but there is good evidence that extremist groups try to target american citizens if in fact they want to spread the idea will logically and people with clean skins and people without a record as well >> catherine, thank you . great to have you here today . let me commend you and all of the fox team. i have never in my life proud to be affiliated with a group of people as the fox news correspondants over the last week . you proible have noticed that fox broke many of the key elements of the storp store and - story and many of them have been on their feet 16 and 18 hours a day and on the hair and they sound good and i am proud of them. did the feds do enough in the

initial of tamerlan tsarnaev two years ago? we'll talk about it when we come back. [ cheers and applause ]

usa, usa, usa, >> those are the sounds of an elated boston public last night as news of the younger brother's arrest hit the streets. we now know that the feds had the dead bombing suspect on the radar screen all the way back to 2011 after being told by a foreign government that he had become a radical islam follower. they didn't find any proof he was involved in terrorism activity thing. joining me is the covert

operation officer and of a global security firm. mike, let me start by one of the follow-up procedures that the f.b.i. will use in a situation like that when they are investigating the older brother. >> it is not an unusual incident. we get a lot of request from foreign liason partners all of the time. looking at terrorism connection or organized crime conthe russians turned to us and said look at this individual is not unusual. there is a back story and the ongoing brutality of the chechnya russian relationship . that forms some what of the atmosphere behind this and the russians say we have someone we are worried about. that is going to at least inform to some degree how they

feel the russians are doing. in the end of the day, they go and look at the databases and go out and do a interview as they did . if they don't find anything. they don't find anything . the problem is, it is after the factfact of course. they wrap today up and they didn't have evidence and then they would have been kicked around the block repeatedly for infringing on the poor immigrant's rights because the russians with history of the butitality with the chechnyas,ment topped find something out. >> i want to ask you about the fort hood shooting, does it need to be reexamined it is calmed workplace violence. isn't it time we take a second look at that? >> absolutely. the fact that it a moronic decision on the part of self rightous individuals to label

that the fort hood shooting a workplace violent incident. the fact that they labeled that doesn't change the fact that the shooter was influenced by radical islam. it a terror incident and encourage would by contact with radical islam and that theology. we have people at this point. we have people who are reluctant to acknowledge the fact that indirectly or directly. they were influenced by the theology of radical islam. that is an important outreach program by the jihadist and radical islam. we have changed the nature . beast and we denied them permanent training camps and taken out a number of the operational leaders and they

have grown to understand that the holy grail is to identify disaffected individuals who are easily impressionable and side in the infedel homelands and turn those individuals into terrorist and they are successful elsewhere and the fort hood shooting is an example of it will we'll have daris long whose song murdered by a terrorist. the government has never call today a terrorist. mike, what should we be doing? everybody said we have had a terrible event in boston. what do we do to stop this and keep it from happening again? >> well, the unsatisfying response. you can't reduce the risk down to zero. you know why they don't have much terrorism in china?

they don't have terrorism in north korea, but we are nopt going to accept what it takes. there is it a trade off. more security means less privacy and civil liberties and invasion of our rights. we have gotten much better. the good part of this, over the years we have improved our safety and defenses and ability to be proactive and disrupt minimizing the attacks. weep can't something everything. everybodied in counter terrorism operation and law enforcement, they understand that. you never get the risk to zero. you lich with the knowledge that something will slip through. >> mike in 15 seconds: are we save? >> we are safer. we are immeasurably safer than we say 10 or 12 years ago in part we are better than what

we do . cooperation with the agencies is better and technology improved our ability and dissimulate millions of pieces of information and the answer is, we are safer, we'll never be completely safe and we'll have to enjoy our liberties and line and things that we treasure and still maintain security. >> mike baker, thank you and great to have you with us tonight. >> and the rampant media speculation and a big week for citizen journalist, that's card hassles?

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>> this week as f.b.i. and local authorities sifted through the evidence of find the people bep hind the bombing. a liberal website had a title let's hope the bomber is a white american. the cultural of radical islam is blamed. white terrorist are treated as lone woefuls. there is andrew who calledute the nonsense. greg a close friend of andrews and joined by the director of the new film. i want to start with you. andrew bitebart was not around for this particular . you followed him around making the documentary. what do you think he would have thought about the salon article this week. >> thank you for having me on,

governor. he would not have been surprised. he would referred to it as opinion pornography and? sort of communication road kill. it is tintalizing and taboo and not sure to look at it when you go by. you he would expect people to look at it. what is represent article is the progressive school of thought. when barack obama talk body fundmentally changing the united states of america, this is what he was talking about. it is changing the narrative from one of american exceptionalism personal responsibility to a american asist -- racist and serving the white manner class.

>> is it terrorist to say you hope it is a white person. >> no, that only goes one way. a leftist can project his own racism and get away with if andrew brightbar was alive today he would have died laughing reading the comum . you might have a photoof david sarota throwing a jab . i think brightbar was great. he found there nothing funnier, that is amazing. there is nothing funnier than someone who takes themselves seriously. no one would pick that picture. it plays off an anti-american sentiment. sirota believes that america can't handle anything but a white terrorist and somehow be thrown in a wild back lash and

go burning buildings and invading countryings. it -- countries. that is entirely opposite of how andrew lived life. >> to follow up. andrew brightbar was a pioneer in citizen journalism. we saw people posting photos from boston that helped to catch these guys. how important is citizen journalism in a world where everything is digital and everybody has a camera. >> there is two kind. the brightbar that is relentless and focused type of journalism and okay, we know that there is something there in andrew weiner's story that is not true. we must dig until we find the truth and do not let naysayers and liars get in the way and he got people involved and citizen journalism and he won,

it looked like weiner might be coming back. but the other kind of journalism i am worried and the kind i got drawn into thursday night, so many people involved that the wrong person is implicated in a crime. i saw the retweeting of two gentlemen that turned out not to be the suspects and i bought into it. i saw two young men, who turned out to have nothing to do with the crime retweeted and that i assumed those were the guys and i went to bed thinking they finishingered the guys. the problem with citizen journalism, it is a big messy drunk party. next morning you wake up half . things you did wrong. >> i appreciate you being here. at least in the case of the boston bombers some of them were right. the documentary will be hitting the theaters may 17th.

go to hating brightbar.com. greg, andrew thank you for being here and delighted to talk to you . coming up next, an update from boston.

he's poking a hole through the liner of the boat. we have a live party in the boat. trying to hold a hole through the boat. live party in the boat confirmed. >> dzhokhar tsarnaev the suspect is hospitalized in serious condition and under armed guard. the investigators haven't been able to question him yet. he was found hiding in the boat and taken into custody after a final change of gunfire in watertown. that's where we found mike to bin.

mike? >> governor, this is the neighborhood where david spotted someone wound bleed hiding in the boat. he did what investigators urged people to do. he backed off and called 911. police recovers and canine units and federal agents were racing to the scene and the helicopter produced a thermal image of a heat signature and someone hide laying in the boat it was the 19 year old killer. he shot once and a gun battle ensued. resummoneding officers were nervous that tsarnaev might be strapped to explosives. he was taken into custody and then the officers made him lift his shirt and then he

surrendered. no where was the celebration sweeter than fenway park where a song that a signature sung by the crowd and the man who sings it best. neal diamond. >> are you ready? ♪ sweet carrolline. ♪ you just niver been so good. ♪ [ singing ] and what is interesting about that, governor. neil diamond flew to town on his own nickel and volunteered and they let him sing. goch gov? - governor? >> they would let him sing for sure. how this guy able to elude the search teamings. how did he escape them? >> it is very interesting. the chief of police said this

location is a block and half outside of the perimeter of the search. he able to hide inside of the boat if that is the first indication and he was undetected from the search teams. it is hard to say how badly he was wounded at the time. he a half hour away from the cover of darkness again, governor. >> mike tobin. thank you and great reporting from boston. >> the high school class mate of tsarnaev confirm would twitter handle of jczar and said it the boston bomber. he quoted through his tweet a jay z. ain't no love in the heart of the city. stay safe people . hours later. he tweeted another message to his followerings. there are people who know the truth and stay silent and people who speak the truth but

we don't hear them because they are the minority. the fact he walked around on the campus and send out messages on twitter as if he hadn't murdered an eight year old and sent dozens of people to the hospital permanently maimed is an indication of what kind of conscience he failed to have. npr counter terrorism correspondant's analysis of the boston bombing abdurd. temple linked major events in april why the bombing suspects were most likely right-wing individuals. she made those comments on the radio program on wednesday. >> think happening as we are reporting that it is a domestic extremist attack and officials are leaning that way because of the timing . attack. that is a big month for right wing and hitlers birthday and

oklahoma city bomb the assault in waco. >> truly? you know one of the thing thags comes to mind all of these things that happened in april. there is one for the left wing. april 1st. this kind of foolish comment where there is it a presupposition that it a right-wing southern white guy is offensive and absurted . what is worse, npr is taxpayer subsidized. it was offensive and we helped her pay for it. officials arrested dark dark tsarnaev and his uncle interviewed and asked how he feel he was captured. >> i feel surreal and relief that he is alive. i hope, you know, he will pull

through. he will be able to for his own sake seek forgiveness for those who have been harmed and hurt, from the families of the victims. >> one of the great tragedies of a situation like this, it is not just the people who commit the crime, but it is their families who often are unfortunately having to suffer. now there have been a variety of the comments from various family members but you got to feel a sense of compassion for the uncle who shared how grateful he is to be in america and how proud he is to be an american and how ashamed high was of his two nephews and the fact that there a division between him and other people in the family. all i can hope, our hearts go out to the uncle and other

members of the family that had nothing to do with the boston marathon bombing. it is right to punish the right people but wrong to punish the people who had nothing to do with it. >> are the two boston bombing suspects part of a much bigger problem? frank said they are and he weighs in on it next. stay with us.

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approximate >> the suspectings in the boston bombings are chechens and immigrating in the life of america with ease. joining me is frank, the assistant secretary of defense and founder of the center policy. frank, you have said this is part of something bigger than borston a. what do you mean by that? >> it is the face of globaljiha. it is it a program that is defined by a doctrine that is the orthodoxy of islam. not all ascribe to it. but it is it called sharia and commands the adherence to engage in holy war and jihad and impose the doctrine on everyone else . the facts we are seeing folks from chechnya means it is global and not confined to the

middle east or afghanistan or far east, it is it a world wide phenom nan and one that i think we ignore and fail to understand at our great peril. >> watching the video of the young men. they look like typical young guys walking around boston and there was not anything extraordinary about the outward appearance. no one would say they are islamic terrorist. this has to be cause for concern for law enforce the regular citizens walking around in the streets. >> it is why i think it is so important to understand motivation and not looking for an external crews. motivations in this case tell us about these folks and hail from a part of the world that is radicalize candidly because of vladimir putin's politicalal aspiration and spawned civil war there . the islamist operating in and

from chechnya. here is the point, mike. if you look at the doctrine and the infrastructure that is put in place to promote it. it is not just al qaeda that is about this. there is a lot of other groups that are violent jihadist and something that is called civiliation jihad. the premer on the muslim brotherhood's stradge -- strategic plan . the fact that the f.b.i. which we know interviewed one of the brothers about a year or so ago, failed to detect his jihadist impulse i would suggest in part because of the success of thization jihad that made it impermissible for the f.b.i. to know. they have had their files purged of information that give offense to these .

that mines the f.b.i. is less able to deal with the threat and >> what should we do differently? i am nopt talking about the f.b.i., i am just talking about all of us. >> the first part of business is to learn what we are up against. the famous chinese strategist said you can't defeat an enemy you don't know. there is a wealth of material in places like that . the explanatory memorandum and introduced in evidence and takes them 15 minute to read it and it tells them what we are up against and gives you insight in the terfolly of the embrace of the muslim brotherhood and helped to bring them to power in egypt and next in syria and other places around the world and very much advance the agenda in the united states . once we are clear about the nature of the enemy and take sleeps and legislative in some

cases and in terms of a national neighborhood watch program for example in another respect and empowering our law enforcement officials to be clear about what we are up against and take constructive steps against them. that's what we need to be doing right now. >> thanks to frank. >> despite what you heard the boston marathon attack not the first. it was the fort hood and deadly shooting outside of a army recruiting station that four years ago. the white house said it not terror, a new law said it was. the father of a soldier who was gunned down outside of a recruiting station joins me next.

>> we'll investigate any association that the terrorist may have had and continue to do whatever we have to do to keep our people safer. >> the boston marathon was called an act of terror hours after it happened. but the shooting at a little rock office guy a jihadist was never called terrorisma private kill would by a karlos bledso of memphis, tennessee. before he went to yemen and became radicalized. andy's father joins me now. when you were on the show before, you talked about the film regarding your son's death call would losing our son. that appearance stir people to action. >> yes, governor, good

evening, and i would like to thank you for that. it resulted in last wednesday being signed into law in arkansas by the governor,andy's law that provides for enhanced civil penaltyings for a terrorist act. 117 legislators voted for it and one did not and she said she pressed the wrong button and it is near unanimous what it. >> daruous i can tell you from having been there if you get that many votes on anything it is incredible. how did it make you feel getting the law pass named after your son. >> the fact that it was named after him said a lot. i am grateful to the arkansas legislature, but it is just a beginning. the state knows what it was, but our federal government doesn't. i watching the night before last, tyrone woods father was

on one of the shopes and he said i am waiting for an answer, 7 months later, the ft. hood people are waiting three and half years later and i am still waiting for answers four years later issue. the president spoke in his speech about the victims have a right for answers. well, i would like mine. >> you know, i think your story is one of those that is so amazing. because there was a time in the f.b.i. agents contacted you and they knew the young man, karlos bledso who killed your son radicalized but after the event, they would have nothing to do with this, and no one from the federal government would give you an answer . i guess from what you said, you still have never been given an answer from the federal government as to whether it terrorism and all of us would say of course it

is. the young man admitted he was a jihadist and did it on purpose and did it as part of that. >> what strikes me, governor, the f.b.i. knew about karlos bled so in yemen and when he got back here. he didn't show up for a polygraph test. with ft. hood. they knew about nadal hasan . in this case in boston, they had one of these guys under stur sur. they had three events and the people in their sights at one time or another . you know, laws, you have to prove someone guilty, i am not a lawyer, but it seems strange to me that there is that involvement by federal law enforcement and these things still happen. >> daris, what were you thinking when you saw the events unfold in boston this

week? >> i didn't see is initially. i at work someone came back and told me. i had to walk away. when i finally had a chance to see it on one of the break room television sets, it a different network and my thoughts went to the families, there are families going through what i did . what also came to me, it may sound bad, but i felt elation in that there were main stream media covered it. they couldn't walk it back . so in the little rock no one covered it. but in this case, there is no way they could ignore it and thankfully, they have caught these guys and my biggest concern in the last couple of days, they would not catch them alive. if they hadn't caught them alive it would have died. >> faris. >> now you have witnesses to

testify. >> daris, you are a great inspiration to me. when i met you and the father of karlos and the two of you join together and i saw you both on our show talking about your desire to help americans understand, it happened me heart. iment to thank you for being here tonight. it is's please tower talk to you again. i hope people see the film losing our sons. it is a powerful film every american needs to see. i will be back with final thoughtings next. ( bell rings ) they remind me so much of my grandkids. wish i saw mine more often, but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving in with my daughter and her family. it's been pretty tough since jack passed away. it's a good thing you had life insurance through the colonial penn program. you're right. it was affordable, and we were guaranteed acceptance. guaranteed acceptance?

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the bombing at the finish line of the boston marathon was depickable because of the carnage caused by the malicious monsters who cold bloodedly and casually placed bombs to kill and mame innocent bystanders and children. also a moment that defiled an

vent that is far more than a mere athletic endeavor of all of the things i have done only marriage and the birth of my children and grand children equal the ex-hill ration of crossing the finish line of a marathon. i have done it twice. on two occasions i was registered for the boston marathon but never got to do it. marathoners are unique in that the participants are competing against each other but competing against them sals. for many the culmination of months and years of dedicated training and discipline to finish what most people don't even dare to start. crossing the finish at the marathon is feeling that if i can do this i can do anything. the people running a marathon the other runners aren't black pore wheat or brown or yellow,

democrat or republican. not any other nationality. they are a part of a unique bond that is formed among those who compete 22.6 miles on their feet crossing the finish line is truly he a holy moment to defile the finish line of a marathon is to desecrate the sanctity of our collective soul. boston is a strong city and it is going to recover. but boston, it is hard -- its hard working people and its star royed marathon deserve much better than having mad dogs acting out their perverted religious evil on holy ground. well, we are going to be back live tomorrow night. judge andrew napolitano joining me and we will talk about the prosecution of the boston marathon bombing suspect. "justice" with